It all depends upon what we want to believe. For unto those who do not want to accept that the souls of all aborted babies go straight unto the very bosom of our Heavenly Father, abortion is an abomination that should be stopped at all costs.
Now, unto those who want to believe otherwise, it should be made clear that making abortions illegal again only exacerbates the problem. For our Heavenly Father does not distinguish between those who directly participate in the committing of an abortion and those who refuse to recognize that natural life begins at conception. For the reason why we want to do something is more important unto Him than what we actually do!
Therefore, it is the changing of hearts and minds that all Christians should want to be of help with, and this cannot be accomplished through the passing of legislation. For if our Heavenly Father’s own Law is powerless in the flesh to effect righteousness {Hebrews 7:18-19}, what can even a constitutional amendment achieve?
Yes, it can be argued that preventing abortions from happening would save participants the added shame of having committed murder after they have come unto their senses, and I am quite sure that many would be most grateful. Nonetheless, if just thinking that there is nothing wrong with having an abortion the same as actually having one in the Light of our Heavenly Father’s absolute Truth, what does it really matter?
roger mugs
· 1 year ago
i've mentioned before that I think it should be the same response we would hope to have if living in germany under the nazi regime absolute opposition doing whatever it takes to undermine the process so as to stop the holocaust...
its murder and murder and murder, we cant solve it through more violence, but we cant be silent about it either.
Dan King
· 1 year ago
Jerry (FishHawk) and Roger, I totally agree that as Christians we should stand up and fight for what we believe in. However, at the same time I do not know that legislation is the right way to change people's behavior.
For example, imagine that young lady that is dealing with an unplanned pregnancy, and the father of the child wants nothing to do with it. The young lady ends up being completely alone in the situation, and considers an abortion because she knwos that she cannot afford to do it on her own right now. In today's world she goes to get the abortion...
However, in a society where abortion is illegal, it probably doesn't change the situation up until the point where she decides to get the abortion. She still has to deal with the same emotions, but now her stress over the whole thing is exagerated because of the perceived lack of options.
So... in this light, is it more important for us to spend our efforts fighting for legislation, or to be there for those that are lost and hurting inside. I believe the Christian witness may be stronger when we focus on helping the broken hearted, and supporting them through difficult situations than we do if we fight to force others to live according to our beliefs.
I completely agree that abortion is murder, which is why we should be doing EVERYTHING in our power to help steer people away from making that decision.
I guess that I see abortion as a "soft" law. Legal abaortion laws do not cause us to commit a sin. I might feel more strongly if there was a law that required me (and my wife) to have an abortion...
I think that the message of the Gospel requires us to love people, and not so much to make laws...
Thoughts?
roger mugs
· 1 year ago
hmm... a soft law as it is... i have a problem with the law that makes prostitution legal in las vegas... i understand a "have nothing to do with these people" i think it should be fought on the political front, but the more practical fight might be on the ground level at some kind of pregnancy center or something...
i dont have a good answer... but i definitely have a problem with the law being around at all... and am very saddened that the fight against the law had basically died out.
Peter M. Lopez
· 1 year ago
Wonderful but complicated question, almost as complicated as any answer. With such legislative successes as the war on drugs and the like, I fail to see how branding more people criminals and putting them in jail or prison is the answer to an issue as significant as this. If Christians, myself included, would spend as much time and energy trying to change people's hearts as they/we spend trying to change laws, we would be much better off...and the law would take care of itself.
Great blog. I'm glad I found it. I would like to link to it from my blog (http://beautyofthebible.com) if you don't mind. There is certainly no obligation for you to do the same, but please feel free if you choose. Keep up the good work.
Dan King
· 1 year ago
Roger, I agree that the it would be great to see the laws better reflect our values. I guess that I feel like the best approach to make that happen it to get to the heart of the people that the current laws give those "freedoms" to. I think that the same mentality applies to the prostitution example as well. It being legal somewhere does not cause me to sin, but the best way to eliminate the problem may have more to do with getting to the hearts of men to not turn to such activities.
Peter, It's nice to meet you, and I've taken a quick look over at your blog! It looks very interesting, and I'll have to spend a little more time over there. I agree with you as well. Issues like this are complicated. It seems like "settling for" simply showing the love of Christ is the "easy way out" and is therefore a compromise. Where do we draw the line between sharing the love and fighting for the moral standards.
I'm wondering which stance would win the most hearts to the Lord...
Great conversation! Thanks! Dan
OneChanceOneLife
· 1 week ago
Let me present you with a real life situation and tell me how you would solve it: a woman gets raped and she gets pregnant as well. She doesn't want to keep the baby because the trauma of the rape is too deep for her to live with. She wants to get rid of the pregnancy immediately. Can you be a pro-life and agree with abortion in this situation? My opinion says: YES. And please don't give me answers like: "It was God's will" or "She deserved that". ________________________________________________ Abortion Clinics
BibleDude
· 6 days ago
First of all, I really hope that this extreme situation is not being used to justify all abortions, particularly those that happen because of convenience.
However, my response is this... (1) It's not my place to judge someone for their actions. Yes I believe that abortion is murder of a defenseless new life, but God is the judge... not me. So particularly in the situation that you mention here, I am in no place to judge someone for their actions.
(2) I would also recognize that the ordeal that this woman is going through would be a vry painful one. Not only physically, but emotionally, and SPIRITUALLY as well. As a Christian, I would feel a need to comfort the broken hearted as Jesus did and commanded us to do.
Note: This comment looks like a spam comment by the user not leaving a name, and leaving a link back to a website. Normally, I delete these without question. However, I did feel that it was important to address this issue with what I believe to be the appropriate Christian response.
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Now, unto those who want to believe otherwise, it should be made clear that making abortions illegal again only exacerbates the problem. For our Heavenly Father does not distinguish between those who directly participate in the committing of an abortion and those who refuse to recognize that natural life begins at conception. For the reason why we want to do something is more important unto Him than what we actually do!
Therefore, it is the changing of hearts and minds that all Christians should want to be of help with, and this cannot be accomplished through the passing of legislation. For if our Heavenly Father’s own Law is powerless in the flesh to effect righteousness {Hebrews 7:18-19}, what can even a constitutional amendment achieve?
Yes, it can be argued that preventing abortions from happening would save participants the added shame of having committed murder after they have come unto their senses, and I am quite sure that many would be most grateful. Nonetheless, if just thinking that there is nothing wrong with having an abortion the same as actually having one in the Light of our Heavenly Father’s absolute Truth, what does it really matter?
absolute opposition
doing whatever it takes to undermine the process so as to stop the holocaust...
its murder and murder and murder, we cant solve it through more violence, but we cant be silent about it either.
I totally agree that as Christians we should stand up and fight for what we believe in. However, at the same time I do not know that legislation is the right way to change people's behavior.
For example, imagine that young lady that is dealing with an unplanned pregnancy, and the father of the child wants nothing to do with it. The young lady ends up being completely alone in the situation, and considers an abortion because she knwos that she cannot afford to do it on her own right now. In today's world she goes to get the abortion...
However, in a society where abortion is illegal, it probably doesn't change the situation up until the point where she decides to get the abortion. She still has to deal with the same emotions, but now her stress over the whole thing is exagerated because of the perceived lack of options.
So... in this light, is it more important for us to spend our efforts fighting for legislation, or to be there for those that are lost and hurting inside. I believe the Christian witness may be stronger when we focus on helping the broken hearted, and supporting them through difficult situations than we do if we fight to force others to live according to our beliefs.
I completely agree that abortion is murder, which is why we should be doing EVERYTHING in our power to help steer people away from making that decision.
I guess that I see abortion as a "soft" law. Legal abaortion laws do not cause us to commit a sin. I might feel more strongly if there was a law that required me (and my wife) to have an abortion...
I think that the message of the Gospel requires us to love people, and not so much to make laws...
Thoughts?
i understand a "have nothing to do with these people"
i think it should be fought on the political front, but the more practical fight might be on the ground level at some kind of pregnancy center or something...
i dont have a good answer... but i definitely have a problem with the law being around at all... and am very saddened that the fight against the law had basically died out.
Great blog. I'm glad I found it. I would like to link to it from my blog (http://beautyofthebible.com) if you don't mind. There is certainly no obligation for you to do the same, but please feel free if you choose. Keep up the good work.
I agree that the it would be great to see the laws better reflect our values. I guess that I feel like the best approach to make that happen it to get to the heart of the people that the current laws give those "freedoms" to. I think that the same mentality applies to the prostitution example as well. It being legal somewhere does not cause me to sin, but the best way to eliminate the problem may have more to do with getting to the hearts of men to not turn to such activities.
Peter,
It's nice to meet you, and I've taken a quick look over at your blog! It looks very interesting, and I'll have to spend a little more time over there. I agree with you as well. Issues like this are complicated. It seems like "settling for" simply showing the love of Christ is the "easy way out" and is therefore a compromise. Where do we draw the line between sharing the love and fighting for the moral standards.
I'm wondering which stance would win the most hearts to the Lord...
Great conversation! Thanks!
Dan
________________________________________________
Abortion Clinics
However, my response is this...
(1) It's not my place to judge someone for their actions. Yes I believe that abortion is murder of a defenseless new life, but God is the judge... not me. So particularly in the situation that you mention here, I am in no place to judge someone for their actions.
(2) I would also recognize that the ordeal that this woman is going through would be a vry painful one. Not only physically, but emotionally, and SPIRITUALLY as well. As a Christian, I would feel a need to comfort the broken hearted as Jesus did and commanded us to do.
Note: This comment looks like a spam comment by the user not leaving a name, and leaving a link back to a website. Normally, I delete these without question. However, I did feel that it was important to address this issue with what I believe to be the appropriate Christian response.